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Ramadan, Taraweeh prayer in a group is Bida?

salamun aleikum. so here is the Hadith. Umar himself even says "This is a great Bida" so taraweeh in a group is actually bidah? if so why do so many Muslims do it? what possible explanation can be given to this hadith when it's clearly written Umar said this is a great BIDA? Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, "Allah's Apostle died and the people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar's Caliphate." 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night." Actually I am asking for my friend who happens to be SUNNI :). He read this Hadith and was confused so I got interested too and decided to ask about it. so please take the shia sunni BS out :) @salman read my question again. YES taraweeh is sunnah for you. But where does the prophet say we can pray it in the group? the hadith Ive posted SAYS Umar made it bida to pray taraweeh jama'a. i am not saying taraweeh is wrong im saying from the hadith it seems like praying it with an imam in a group is bida and not what the prophet did Salman. read the hadith YOU posted read it: Volume 3, Book 32, Number 229: it even says in there that once people started praying behind the prophet he didnt pray at the mosque for taraweeh. and it says at the end PEOPLE PRAYED INDIVIDUALLY. this hadith is actually proving my point. so after the prophets death people prayed INDIVIDUALLY until Umar came and made it BIDA to pray in a group. connect Volume 3, Book 32, Number 229: with my hadith @Nickname: you are considering the REASON prophet gave for not leading people in a taraweeh prayer. But we don't take the REASONS of the prophet, we take what the prophet did. And the prophet did NOT lead taraweeh. the hadith said people formed behind him and when the numbers increased he NO LONGER did it. But the fact that Umar himself said it's a BIDA doesn't that make it a BIDA? @salman: Therefore, O people! Perform your prayers at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is what is performed at his home except the compulsory congregational) prayer." doesnt this alone mean we should pray tarawee seperately and not go to the masjid for it? nickname: this has nothing to do with shia sunni. But I think my arguement shows that taraweeh in a group is not the right thing and is bida. argue if you want the evidence is in the hadiths you posted yourself

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Astaghferallah are you serious?
I don't know about the Hadith you posted, Taraweeh is actully Sunnah ! Here few Hadiths Bukhari Volume 3, Book 32, Number 226: Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying regarding Ramadan, "Whoever prayed at night in it (the month of Ramadan) out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." --------------------------------------… Volume 3, Book 32, Number 228: Narrated 'Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) Allah's Apostle used to pray (at night) in Ramadan. --------------------------------------… Volume 3, Book 32, Number 229: Narrated 'Urwa: That he was informed by 'Aisha, "Allah's Apostle went out in the middle of the night and prayed in the mosque and some men prayed behind him. In the morning, the people spoke about it and then a large number of them gathered and prayed behind him (on the second night). In the next morning the people again talked about it and on the third night the mosque was full with a large number of people. Allah's Apostle came out and the people prayed behind him. On the fourth night the Mosque was overwhelmed with people and could not accommodate them, but the Prophet came out (only) for the morning prayer. When the morning prayer was finished he recited Tashah-hud and (addressing the people) said, "Amma ba'du, your presence was not hidden from me but I was afraid lest the night prayer (Qiyam) should be enjoined on you and you might not be able to carry it on." So, Allah's Apostle died and the situation remained like that (i.e. people prayed individually). " --------------------------------------… Volume 3, Book 32, Number 230: Narrated Abu Salama bin 'Abdur Rahman: that he asked 'Aisha "How was the prayer of Allah's Apostle in Ramadan?" She replied, "He did not pray more than eleven Rakat in Ramadan or in any other month. He used to pray four Rakat ---- let alone their beauty and length----and then he would pray four ----let alone their beauty and length ----and then he would pray three Rakat (Witr)." She added, "I asked, 'O Allah's Apostle! Do you sleep before praying the Witr?' He replied, 'O 'Aisha! My eyes sleep but my heart does not sleep." --------------------------------------… Hadith fom Sahi Bukhari: Narrated Zaid bin Thabit: Allah's Apostle made a small room (with a palm leaf mat). Allah's Apostle came out (of his house) and prayed in it. Some men came and joined him in his prayer. Then again the next night they came for the prayer, but Allah's Apostle delayed and did not come out to them. So they raised their voices and knocked the door with small stones (to draw his attention). He came out to them in a state of anger, saying, "You are still insisting (on your deed, i.e. tarawih prayer in the mosque) that I thought that this prayer (tarawih) might become obligatory on you. So you people, offer this prayer at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is the one which he offers at home, except the compulsory (congregational) prayer." (Book #73, Hadith #134) ____ Oky two more hadiths Hadith fom Sahi Bukhari: Narrated Zaid bin Thabit: The Prophet took a room made of date palm leaves mats in the mosque. Allah's Apostle prayed in it for a few nights till the people gathered (to pray the night prayer (tarawih) (behind him.) Then on the 4th night the people did not hear his voice and they thought he had slept, so some of them started humming in order that he might come out. The Prophet then said, "You continued doing what I saw you doing till I was afraid that this (tarawih prayer) might be enjoined on you, and if it were enjoined on you, you would not continue performing it. Therefore, O people! Perform your prayers at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is what is performed at his home except the compulsory congregational) prayer." (See Hadith No. 229,Vol. 3) (See Hadith No. 134, Vol. 8) (Book #92, Hadith #393)
The view that Taraaweeh prayer is a bid’ah is not valid. Rather we should ask whether it was one of the Sunnahs of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, because it was not done at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) but it was done in ‘Umar’s time, or was it one of the Sunnahs of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? Some people claim that it was one of the Sunnahs of ‘Umar, and they base that on the fact that ‘Umar “commanded Ubayy ibn Ka’b and Tameem al-Daari to lead the people in praying eleven rak’ahs.” He went out the same night and saw the people praying, and he said, “What a good innovation this is.” This indicates that it had not previously been prescribed… But this opinion is da’eef (weak), and those who say this are ignoring the reports proven in al-Saheehayn and elsewhere, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) “led his companions in praying for three nights, and on the third or fourth night he did not lead them, and he said: ‘I am afraid that it may be made obligatory upon you.’” This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (872). According to a version narrated by Muslim, “But I was afraid that prayer at night may be made obligatory upon you, and you would not be able to do it.” (1271). So it is proven that Taraaweeh is part of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) referred to the reason why he did not persist in it, which was the fear that it might become obligatory; he did not say that it is not prescribed. This fear no longer applied following the death of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because when he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, the revelation ceased and there was no longer any concern that it might become obligatory. Once the fear that it might become obligatory was no longer present, because the revelation had ceased, then the reason for not doing it was also removed, and so it was restored to its position of being Sunnah. See al-Sharh al-Mumti’ by Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, vol. 4, p. 78. It was narrated in al-Saheehayn from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would forgo doing something that he liked to do lest the people do it and it become obligatory upon them. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1060; Muslim, Salaat al-Musaafireen, 1174). Al-Nawawi said: This shows how kind he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was and how compassionate towards his ummah. So there is no basis for saying that Taraaweeh prayer is not part of the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), rather it is part of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but he forsook it for fear that it may be made obligatory upon his ummah. When he died, this concern no longer applied. Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was distracted by the wars against the apostates and his reign was short, lasting only two years. When the reign of ‘Umar came and the Muslims became secure and victorious, he commanded the people to gather together for Taraaweeh prayers in Ramadaan, as they used to gather with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). All that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) did was to go back to that Sunnah and revive it. And Allaah is the Source of strength. - You just don't want to believe, it is not Bidah. Check the following link, you will find the answer: http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/45781/
I have yet to see anything to disprove the sahih hadith which I also have read. If anything, the sahih contradicts itself.
Assalamu Alaykum, The Hadeeth which the Sunnittes have showed you report about the Prophet(p) performing TAHAJJUD.. Those traditions don't mention ANYTHING about Tarawih prayers...
i know about this.. they call it "بدعة مستحسنة" (i.e. a favourable bid'ah).. @ salman.. nobody said anything about the "prayer" itself !! we are talking about praying it "Jama'ah" in "group".... praying it in "group" was recommended by the second caliph Omer bin Khattab.. its in all of ur hadith and history books !! but do u know why we Shias dont talk much about it or try to critisize you guys about it ??? because to us the unity of muslims matters more than creating fitna !!!